Ranger Mods

Not starting a good old war between having one or not having one but here is a photo of what I found in mine today.

It has been on the ute for 10,000km as I am currently sitting at 17,000kms I have emptied it twice into a coke bottle I have collected probably about 500mls and honestly 80% of what comes out is water vapor however this sludge that I have caught is what took my by surprise.

Maybe this is the result of lots of small trips.

Is that a hpd catch can? With a stainless mesh filter?

Lincolnland wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:02 pm Is that a hpd catch can? With a stainless mesh filter?

No it’s a provent 200

https://www.westernfilters.net.au/ford- ... rPEALw_wcB

It’s says the filters can last up to 40,000 kms. I think I’ll be changing mine now.

Ok

Lincolnland wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:18 pm There are mods that can be done to the prevent that make it function a little better.

Would you mind sharing them?
Or the links to the info?

Lincolnland wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:18 pm There are mods that can be done to the prevent that make it function a little better.

How do we do this?

puma10 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:19 am Not starting a good old war between having one or not having one but here is a photo of what I found in mine today.

It has been on the ute for 10,000km as I am currently sitting at 17,000kms I have emptied it twice into a coke bottle I have collected probably about 500mls and honestly 80% of what comes out is water vapor however this sludge that I have caught is what took my by surprise.

Maybe this is the result of lots of small trips.

IMG_0352.jpeg

Has that sludge blocked the drain pipe or is the pipe full?
Mine collects about 25cm of pipe length filled with oil over about a 10 month interval.
No sludge in can itself and just black oil drains from pipe.

I have a PX2 2.2, Provent 200 from Western Filters.
Majority of trips are only 8km's which is distance to work.
Engine only hits operating temp on drive home during winter.

Will have a look inside now during winter. Could be a bit messier at the moment.

Lincolnland wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:18 pm There are mods that can be done to the prevent that make it function a little better.

What do you mean mods? I feel like its working as it should. It sure is catching all that crap that's for sure.

NathanSA wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:57 pm

puma10 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:19 am Not starting a good old war between having one or not having one but here is a photo of what I found in mine today.

It has been on the ute for 10,000km as I am currently sitting at 17,000kms I have emptied it twice into a coke bottle I have collected probably about 500mls and honestly 80% of what comes out is water vapor however this sludge that I have caught is what took my by surprise.

Maybe this is the result of lots of small trips.

IMG_0352.jpeg

Has that sludge blocked the drain pipe or is the pipe full?
Mine collects about 25cm of pipe length filled with oil over about a 10 month interval.
No sludge in can itself and just black oil drains from pipe.

I have a PX2 2.2, Provent 200 from Western Filters.
Majority of trips are only 8km's which is distance to work.
Engine only hits operating temp on drive home during winter.

Will have a look inside now during winter. Could be a bit messier at the moment.

Drain pipe was full I drained that out also that mainly consisted of oil and water I can only assume it's the cold that has made this happen. It was drained only 2,500k kms ago. Might need to make sure the maintenance is done a little more regularly.

This is the first time I have seen the sludge like this not sure what it is. Last time I drained it I just had water and oil this time I had this stuff form.

A pcv type filter

Lincolnland wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:34 pm If you block the return line from the catch can with a 25mm chair rubber end, use the drain line fixed to a kn style breather filter, or pcv type filter. This system works by removing any recycled dirty air from re entering the intake tract whilst still breathing appropriately. It's a mod that's been used in the performance world for forever. The pcv filter will vent the vapour prior to it turning to sludge or water/oil. Basically expell it whilst it's still a gas. If I could post a pic I would

I don't see this working on a Provent 200.
Any condensed oil will run down into that drain pipe and soak that KN style filter full or if you have a radius bend in the pipe it will just block up.
And with the pressure of the ventilation the oil will be pushed out as it is at the bottom while it collects more and more oil vapour.

The performance world mods were either a filter fitted directly to tappet cover PCV outlet or the catch can used is a top entry inlet and outlet configuration with the outlet fitted with the filter. This second option could work but not on the Provent as it isn't like this.
Generally in performance situations the engine is at operating temp keeping that water in a vapour form and not still on a warm up cycle going to work and back.
With the engine not reaching operating temp (cold engine bay as well) water will always form and condense and hopefully collect in the can otherwise it will saturate the filter anyway.
This just adds to the clean up and maintenance.

Either way i would not go with that kind of vent to atmosphere arrangement.
The slight oil smell that comes from the filter alone is a put off especially on hot days when not all the oil vapour condenses in the catch can and gets pushed out the filter.

Ok

Lincolnland wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:56 pm It does work. Have run this system for about 7 years now. Venting to atmosphere is better than feeding the turbo contaminated air. But each to their own. I appreciate your feed back.

If you are able to get a photo of the setup uploaded that would be great.

I would like to see how it is configured. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your explanation
As I'm understanding what you've typed it doesn't make sense to me and I have built and played around with various catch can designs and have the Provent 200 installed.
I'm happy to learn something new.

NathanSA wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:38 pm

Lincolnland wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:56 pm It does work. Have run this system for about 7 years now. Venting to atmosphere is better than feeding the turbo contaminated air. But each to their own. I appreciate your feed back.

If you are able to get a photo of the setup uploaded that would be great.

I would like to see how it is configured. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your explanation
As I'm understanding what you've typed it doesn't make sense to me and I have built and played around with various catch can designs and have the Provent 200 installed.
I'm happy to learn something new.

Basically the output hose from the catch can would just vent to the atmosphere rather than being connected to the intake.

As far as I was aware this was illegal we use to run setups like this when I was into Japanese import cars in my younger days people that were caught with this style setup we usually handed a defect if the cop knew what they were looking at.

I get what lincolnland is saying however I will not be doing that to me it falls into the same category as removing your DPF or EGR valve.

The catch can is fine the way it is it is doing it's job filtering out all the crap and just allowing the gasses to pass though and be bunt off again.

This guy here I think is on the money

The gas is filtered so that very little contaminates are released.

puma10 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:20 am

NathanSA wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:38 pm

Lincolnland wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:56 pm It does work. Have run this system for about 7 years now. Venting to atmosphere is better than feeding the turbo contaminated air. But each to their own. I appreciate your feed back.

If you are able to get a photo of the setup uploaded that would be great.

I would like to see how it is configured. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your explanation
As I'm understanding what you've typed it doesn't make sense to me and I have built and played around with various catch can designs and have the Provent 200 installed.
I'm happy to learn something new.

Basically the output hose from the catch can would just vent to the atmosphere rather than being connected to the intake.

As far as I was aware this was illegal we use to run setups like this when I was into Japanese import cars in my younger days people that were caught with this style setup we usually handed a defect if the cop knew what they were looking at.

I get what lincolnland is saying however I will not be doing that to me it falls into the same category as removing your DPF or EGR valve.

The catch can is fine the way it is it is doing it's job filtering out all the crap and just allowing the gasses to pass though and be bunt off again.

This guy here I think is on the money

If the output hose is connected to a filter that makes sense and is what I described for traditional sports catch cans but that is not what was explained.
It was said to block the output hose and connect the "drain" hose to the filter which on a Provent doesn't make sense to me.
The drain is the small +/-12mm size fitting at the bottom on a Provent.

Moisture egress into the engine interior is more common in winter when you have damp high humidity air, that and the unhappy fact that the pure synthetic oils we use in our engines absorbs moisture just as brake fluid does. As the engine cools down the gasses inside it contract and draw moisture into the engine. With synthetic oils however the moisture quickly boils off when the engine is up to operating temperature and these gasses get drawn to the top of the engine and, if you have one, into the oil catch can, the suction on the turbo inlet provides this circulation force.
Provent recommend the 150 for the 3.2 as its a slow revving engine, the 200 series while commonly used is a tad too big. There you have it, its on Provents web site.
The downside to me of having a oil catch can is the cost of the replacement filter,they are around $90 each!!
I "rotate" mine by dropping the current oily filter into a jar of brake cleaning fluid that disolves the oil, everytime I pass it on the shelf in my man shed I give it a little shake to speed up the process, after a time and 40,000 kms traveled in the Wildtrak its clean enough to be reused and after sun drying it I can use it again to replace the one in the oil catch can.
The alternative, that of paying out $90 for a new filter every 40k isnt a happy thought.