For those that do not know the current Ranger/Everest uses passive entry start.
As someone that was involved in the automotive security industry for over 20 years this is another I'm still not a fan of passive entry/start.
This will give you an idea of an issue that extends to most makes and models and if your vehicle is not prone to attack currently it is quiet certain that at some point it will be.
https://www.engadget.com/amp/2018/10/22 ... eyfob-hack
I will happily stick with my and although the immobilisers is not very secure it does make it a little harder to drive away, having a mechanical key.
Seen first hand over the years, people will generally take the easy and quiet approach rather than smashing off a steering lock.
Most vehicles are stolen with the owners own keys. But passive entry/start add another level of stealth to stealing the vehicle.
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They are making it easier, not harder.
I see this is an electric vehicle but would a petrol/diesel be the same.
You have the fob in your pocket, approach the car and the door opens.
Get in and press the start button.
Would it still start if the fob wasn't in range or does it need a signal from the fob to start.
I see this is an electric vehicle but would a petrol/diesel be the same.
You have the fob in your pocket, approach the car and the door opens.
Get in and press the start button.
Would it still start if the fob wasn't in range or does it need a signal from the fob to start.
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Passive is passive, the signal can be retransmitted from a distance. Petrol, diesel, electric, rocket powered, whatever.
I'm not implying that Ford's passive system is currently vulnerable but there are a majority that are. At the rate that bypasses are worked out then it would be assumed that non vulnerable systems will be vulnerable in time.
Fords immobilisers in the current Ford Rangers are generally pretty tight but the BCM is still weak and a new remote key can be added in as little as 15 seconds.
An example is poor design of some of the Toyota's, people jumping in the vehicle, driving off with the passive key still on the kitchen bench. There does not appear to be a check after the engine is started so they get to where they are going and cannot restart the vehicle, whoops passive key at home.
Just a quick reference but the more you search the deeper you go the more info you find https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.exp ... arning/amp
I'm not implying that Ford's passive system is currently vulnerable but there are a majority that are. At the rate that bypasses are worked out then it would be assumed that non vulnerable systems will be vulnerable in time.
Fords immobilisers in the current Ford Rangers are generally pretty tight but the BCM is still weak and a new remote key can be added in as little as 15 seconds.
An example is poor design of some of the Toyota's, people jumping in the vehicle, driving off with the passive key still on the kitchen bench. There does not appear to be a check after the engine is started so they get to where they are going and cannot restart the vehicle, whoops passive key at home.
Just a quick reference but the more you search the deeper you go the more info you find https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.exp ... arning/amp
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saeb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:14 pmAn example is poor design of some of the Toyota's, people jumping in the vehicle, driving off with the passive key still on the kitchen bench. There does not appear to be a check after the engine is started so they get to where they are going and cannot restart the vehicle, whoops passive key at home
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I was at my mates work and his boss was on the phone, then off the phone, cranky as hell.
What's up Paul I asked?
Wife left the bloody key at home again and went to shops. (200 series LandCruiser)
I'm unsure if the system has changed.
What's up Paul I asked?
Wife left the bloody key at home again and went to shops. (200 series LandCruiser)
I'm unsure if the system has changed.
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I tried that with the wife's Mazda 3. I had to be within about 2 metres of the car to have any chance of it starting... the house is a lot further away than that, so pretty safe.
Gotta be embarrassing though. lol
Gotta be embarrassing though. lol
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I know on my fleet of 2012 Camry Hybrids that it does check to see if the fob is near, but you can get far away with no problems. The darn screen just flashes and beeps at you that the key isn't detected. Restarting is another issue.
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So I guess youll never sort out keyless entry for those of us who like it, and aren't smart enough to do it ourselves then Stewart?
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It's not a priority. At a minimum it will require a replacement BCM, antenna's, steering lock etc. Honestly the list of items to do it PROPERLY is so big that the cost would far outway the practicality of adding it and you will receive nothing extra if and when you sell. It would be far easier on the pocket at the end of the day to upgrade to a MY19 in a few years.
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Ah fair enough, here I was being hopeful, tech wise its the only thing missing from the pre18 models.
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Think I would prefer AEB, auto emergency braking over keyless entry and it is probably more achievable.
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