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Hi

Looking for an audio hardness that splits out the speaker wires, and perhaps an amp remote, but still maintaining them in the plug

So basically, unplug from factory unit, plug this harness in to the unit and other end of original harness, everything is retained as normal, but a second set of speaker wires are there for connection to my amp to run a sub

also, ive read that the factory system interferes with a sub due to the noise cancelletion feature? and that the outputs are high level meaning something like an audiocontrol lc2i needs to be used?
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I believe you can get a harness that is plug and and play to give you speaker outputs for a amplifier from Supercheap Auto or car audio retail store.

Or you can pick up the OEM speaker wires in the front kick panel on each side for front and rear speakers and tap into there.
If you want to do this then let me know and I can provide the colours code for you.

You can disable the EQ and change to low level output by using Forscan and doing this.


FORSCan codes:
ACM
727-01-01 xx5A xxxx xxxx This one makes the factory outputs a low level for an aftermarket amp.
727-01-02 00xx This one flattens the factory EQ.

After doing this you can get away with not using a a high to low level converter and just put RCA's on the end of your wires that you ran to tap into the OEM speakers and plug them directly into your amp.
Then run new wires from your amp to your new speakers.

Hope this helps.

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Hey, thanks for your detailed reply, id love to tap into the rear speaker wires, where abouts are they and if you could share the colours that would be awesome

The amp has speaker level (high level i think) inputs, so can i just run speaker wire direct into that, its only to run the sub anyway

Will i need to ForSCAN to do all this as i want to retain the factory sounding/EQ for the speakers, just want to run a sub.

lastly, best place to order ForSCAN and will my OBD adapter work ok? its an ELM327
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Forscan is a free download, but you will either have to apply for a free licence that is good for one month or buy one for a time limit you choose.
A laptop running Windows 10 is preferred for Forscan.
Your dongle may be limited & won't see all modules.
If that is the case you can purchase a dongle from this suite that will read them all.
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Thanks, just ordered one :)
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Here you go,


Ranger Speaker colour codes

Front LH
Woofer
Positive = White
Negative = White/Brown
Tweeter
Positive = Gray/Orange
Negative = Green/Orange

Front RH
Woofer
Positive = White/Purple
Negative = White/Orange
Tweeter
Positive – Yellow/Orange
Negative – Purple/Orange

Rear LH
Positive = White/Green
Negative = Brown/Yellow
Rear RH
Positive = Brown/White
Negative = Brown/Blue

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Thanks, For a sub, i plan to use AudioControl LC2i, do i just tap into the rears? Where is the best place to rap into the rears?

Some say the high level output is not good and have issues
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I wouldn't use a 2 channel converter for the reason you'll only get beeps from the parking sensors for which output you connect.
Either front or rear not both.
The other thing is that if you only connect the rear then you lose the sound coming from your hands free as it only comes out of the the fronts.

The other problem you'll run into is that the front outputs are filtered to the point that you won't get any highs, it really sounds bad one you add a amp and upgrade the speakers.

Turn off the EQ as outlined in my previous post through Forscan and also change to low level output as the sound quality is so much better.

If you need a hand doing this let me know.
Where are you located?

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Thanks for that

Ill only be connecting a sub at this stage, so the converter would only be feeding a mono block amp, would this still be an issue as i dont really need parking beeps or hands free via the sub?
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That should be ok then.
But if you plan to add a amp later and upgrade the speakers you'll need to replace the lc2i with a lc6i for more outputs.

You can tap into the rear speakers in the loom under carpet just before it goes into the rear doors.
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Stormtrooper wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:24 am You can disable the EQ and change to low level output by using Forscan and doing this.

FORSCan codes:
ACM
727-01-01 xx5A xxxx xxxx This one makes the factory outputs a low level for an aftermarket amp.
727-01-02 00xx This one flattens the factory EQ.
I'm in the process of doing this for a new stereo install, I had a play with forscan yesterday to make sure this worked before the install, I ran the code to change the outputs to low level, just on the OEM stereo to see the effect, it seemed to reduce the system volume by about half.

My question is have I done this correctly ?

I would have thought the output level would be reduced so far it wouldn't really drive the speakers? But I'm unsure what sort of level "low" level actually is considered.

FYI this is the code I ran for the test:

Disable ANC on rear speakers + enable low level out + flatten EQ:

- ACM Module (ASBUILT)
- 727-01-01 xA5A-xAxx-xxxx
- 727-01-02 0044-xx
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You would only change to low level output if you already have the amp installed.
Without an amp it will put it very little signal out of the head unit and will not have power to drive the speakers.


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Stormtrooper wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:19 am You would only change to low level output if you already have the amp installed.
Without an amp it will put it very little signal out of the head unit and will not have power to drive the speakers.


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Thank you, thats what I thought, hence doing the test to make sure the forscan changes have / will work correctly before installing the amp.

So the fact that it is still driving the speakers at about 50% volume after the change would indicate this change has not worked correctly?

Any idea what I might be doing wrong here?

FYI this is how I have made the change:

SYNC 3, MY20 Raptor Ranger

ACM Module (ASBUILT)

Partialy disable active noise control system
- 727-01-01 xxxx-xAxx-xxxx (Enable ANC)
And
- 727-01-02 xx44-xx (44 = disable rear speaker ANC only)

+

Switch factory stereo outputs to low level
- Enable 727-01-01 xx5A xxxx xxxx

+

Flatten factory stereo EQ
- 727-01-02 00xx - xx

=

Disable ANC on rear speakers + enable low level out + flatten EQ:
- 727-01-01 xA5A-xAxx-xxxx
- 727-01-02 0044-xx


Is it ok to enter the code as a combination of the codes required? Or should I enter each code, make the change, then go back and edit for the next change etc etc?

Any help is greatly appreciated!

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Fequin, read stormtroopers answer properly.

Less power output when in low level basically means less voltage to the speakers hence, quieter.
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saeb wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:52 pm Fequin, read stormtroopers answer properly.

Less power output when in low level basicall means leass voltage to the speakers hence, quieter.
I believe I have read his answer correctly
Stormtrooper wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:19 am You would only change to low level output if you already have the amp installed.
Without an amp it will put it very little signal out of the head unit and will not have power to drive the speakers.
The issue I'm noticing is that after applying the code changes, the speaker volume lowers as required but only by about 50%. I believe stormtrooper is saying that if the code has worked correctly there should be hardly any output or very little from the speakers?
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I've never tried using low level without an amp as that isn't what low level was designed for, so I wouldn't know what to expect.
I would say it has worked as the volume is lower as you stated.

There are also different low level output power.
For instance when buying a aftermarket head unit the better ones have 4v output which is a higher signal feed to the amp.
This allows you to have the amp gains set to zero which in turn gives you a much cleaner sound with less system noise or hiss as some people call it.

I'm confident that the changes you made are correct as it's either low level or it's not.
It's not like you can specify how low or high you want to go.
Does that make sense?
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Ok, thanks, Yes I’m just trying to test it before doing the rest of the install to make sure it works.

I have a Focal 5ch amp (FPX 5.1200 5-CH) from a previous vehicle as well as 2x Focal hi-Lo V2 Line Level Adaptors from a previous install in a Hilux.

I’m hoping that this change means I no longer need to use the line level adaptors.

And furthermore, I hope that the other changes mean I don’t have to remove the roof lining and detach the ANC mics and can leave the ANC active in the front speakers.
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You're right, you shouldn't need to use the hi/lo converters.
Just solder RCA's on the end of the speaker wires and that will give you an input for your amp.
Good luck with your install.
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Hi,
Which stereo are you talking about, sync 3 or all of them like sync 1.1...
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Sync 3.
Sorry, don’t know anything about sync 1.
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Stormtrooper wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:33 am Sync 3.
Sorry, don’t know anything about sync 1.
Thank you. I don't think there is much to know about it :)
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Stormtrooper wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:35 pm Here you go,


Ranger Speaker colour codes

Front LH
Woofer
Positive = White
Negative = White/Brown
Tweeter
Positive = Gray/Orange
Negative = Green/Orange

Front RH
Woofer
Positive = White/Purple
Negative = White/Orange
Tweeter
Positive – Yellow/Orange
Negative – Purple/Orange

Rear LH
Positive = White/Green
Negative = Brown/Yellow
Rear RH
Positive = Brown/White
Negative = Brown/Blue

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If I want to use all the speaker outs for 4 channel amp, I understand how to make rca from rear channel but how can I connect front channels for rca plug because they are seperated as tweeter and midbass. Should I connect each channels positives each other than make the rca with 2 cables? I don't understand that.
I understand the forscan codes and low level input selection but I'm confused about the front cables frequency seperation.
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I'm having some issues with the ACM Module after these changes.

I'm trying to disable the active noise control system + set the factory stereo outputs to low level + flatten the factory EQ.
All with information I have sourced here.

It's seems I can't have all these changes at once, and now after trying to make the changes I'm getting some weird issues such as the ANC being disabled when the code for it to be enabled is actually entered, and the sound my reversing beeper makes has changed from the ford "chime" sound to a default beep.

At the moment I have managed to disabled the ANC, and flatten the EQ but the outputs on the stereo are still too high.

I'm thinking the easiest solution now is just to run some low level line convertors. But I need to work out how to get my reverse beep back to normal!

Attached is a pdf of the codes I'm using. (green has been done successfully, yellow is work work in progress)

Also attached are screen shots of the changes I'm making in the ACM and the associated problems. (note other parts of the hex code automatically change after I make changes)
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The last 2 characters of each line will always change themselves as that is the checksum being updated, there is warning dialogue you agree to when writing about this.

Send me VIN and saved abt ACM file.
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Pretty confused. Anyway reading what you wrote vs asbuilt changes I interpret as;

You will leave front speakers running of the ACM internal amplifier and only add an amp to the rear speaker and or sub as it seems you still want ANC to work on the fronts?

Change for this would be;
727-01-01 9E1A-1A08-9Axx
727-01-02 0044-xx

If not then....

If you want to use your own amp to power all speakers then I would probably recommend turning ANC off all together.

Changes for this would be;
727-01-01 9E5A-1808-9Axx
727-01-02 0000-xx

Or....

Now and I have never tried this there is another option for fixed line level, not sure if anyone else has tried it as above is external variable, changes for this based on ANC all off and amp on all speakers is;

727-01-01 9EAA-1808-9A-xx
727-01-02 0000-xx
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